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    Praetor - tricks for adding oil?

    Does anyone have any tricks for adding oil to the praetor? I've only done it once and it didn't go well.

    I didn't have a funnel and discovered you can't tip the can up to get all the contents out and, well, I was chasing spills with paper towels.

    I got a funnel but now I'll be carrying around the oil coated filled funnel everywhere.

    Plus, a funnel doesn't allow you to measure how much you put in each side. It's more going to be pour and prey.

    Hoping someone has a clever way to deal with this. E.g. a syringe? Dispo(Username Protected)ble paper funnel? Some other dispo(Username Protected)ble funnel?

    I am a bit worried about contaminating the oil using an incompatible intermediary.

    Any tips and tricks for adding oil would be appreciated.

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    (Username Protected), most of us transfer the oil to a camping fuel bottle and then pouring it into the engine. the extra cans of oil, funnel and tools go in a plastic toolbox in the back.
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    Thanks for the response.

    What you describe is what I did with my Phenom 300. This doesn't seem to work with the praetor. First - you let the oil run down so you put half a quart in each side, no need to transfer to the camping bottle. Second, you can't properly tilt the can to get it to drain into the engine - it bumps into stuff.

    Perhaps you are (Username Protected)ying a taller, skinny camping bottle can be poured properly? (Username Protected)ust transfer the entire quart to the camping bottle in prep for the next fill?

    I'm going to try out the ValvoMax dispo(Username Protected)ble funnels you can get on Amazon and give those a try.


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    (Username Protected), most of us transfer the oil to a camping fuel bottle and then pouring it into the engine. the extra cans of oil, funnel and tools go in a plastic toolbox in the back.
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    (Username Protected),

    I have to come up with different methods for the various (Username Protected)ets I fly. I track the amount of oil u(Username Protected)ge / engine, and have used a measuring cup to keep track (I'm very picky with my planes). What I do now is pre measure the oil into two (or more if extensive travel) stainless steel 'water bottles' with metal caps. When the oil gets down to my pre-determined level, I then add the full contents into the engine. For example, if I put 16 oz into two 20 oz container, I can then have an accurate addition for my logs. With only 16 oz in a 20 oz container I can tilt it more and avoid the dreaded engine oil dripping everywhere. If you want to do that on the road, simply on the first 16 oz pour mark the bottle with that level, then pour from the oil appropriately --- close enough.

    I actually found a research paper that showed the leeching of plastic containers for turbine oil - I can't find it now.

    I also use paper funnels, and keep a plastic zip lock bag to discard them, if a trash receptacle isn't close by.
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    You can carry a (Username Protected)fety wash bottle and use that to add the oil. Mechanics use these to make it easy on difficult engines. (Username Protected)ust cut the tip of the nozzle to be a bit larger.
    https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail...8aArqWEALw_wcB
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    For a Phenom 300 (which is a little awkward) I have a wide-mouth plastic squeeze bottle. The bottle has a narrow straw inside that extends at an angle out of the top. Put the oil in the squeeze bottle and you can then accurately squeeze inside the engine filler.

    Here is a pic of my oil service kit:

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    Quote Originally Posted by (Username Protected) View Post
    You can carry a (Username Protected)fety wash bottle and use that to add the oil. Mechanics use these to make it easy on difficult engines. (Username Protected)ust cut the tip of the nozzle to be a bit larger.
    https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail...8aArqWEALw_wcB
    I have this (Username Protected)me bottle.

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    (Username Protected). Use Mike (Username Protected)s method and get a plastic sealable container to house everything you need. Keep it in the back of the airplane. As much as you guys fly always take two quarts with you.
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    (Username Protected), on our 300, I (Username Protected)ved a plastic quart oil bottle and put the quart of Mobil (Username Protected)et oil from the can into it. I can easily pour whatever I need from it when oil is req'd. It works very well with no spilling.
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    I think the point here is that the method he used on the Phenom isn't working on the Praetor. I think we need a video of this Praetor oil challenge from (Username Protected) to see what is really going on.
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    Hi (Username Protected). Yes that would be helpful. Mike (Username Protected) works on Praetors and is associated with (Username Protected)et access. He is the "go to" maintenance person for legacy/Praetor aircraft. If you own a Emb550, please trust it to Mike. He provides incredible service and his knowledge of the aircraft is over the top. The challenge is that you can't pour even a narrow bottle and not spill oil down the cowling. A bottle like what Mike and (Username Protected) suggested is the way to go. I've been on the airplane since 2015 and made multiple messes so I recommend the bottle that Mike is recommending. Thanks! it's also great for the 300 but a funnel will work for that airplane Happy New year to everyone. Www.globalaircraft.us
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    The simple option is to pour the oil from the can into a small paper coffee cup squeeze the cup to make a sharp point and pour the oil in the engine from the cup. Likely have to fill the cup 3-4 times for the full quart, but it’s simple, don’t need to carry anything with you, hard to make a mess and easy to clean up when you’re done.
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    Btw, on a side note (Username Protected), have you discovered the little oil locker compartment in the back of the Praetor cargo compartment? Holds a couple of quart cans.
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    Since both types are being discussed on this thread ... for the Phenom 300 guys that haven't discovered this, I find it fairly easy to put the whole bottle (whatever bottle I'm using - typically the stainless water bottle) INSIDE the cowling and then there is plenty of room to tip and pour without a funnel. YMMV.

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